A compelling conversation chaired by Paul Mills PhD of UCSD about complexities, uncertainties and concerns around C-19 with his guests, world leading cardiologist, Peter McCullough MD MPH FACC, vaccinologist, Geert Vanden Bossche DVM PhD, and Alliance for Natural Health founder, Rob Verkerk MSc DIC PhD FACN. The topic of conversation was nothing less than some of the key issues around covid-19, mass vaccination and early treatment that have split societies all over the world.